Tuesday, September 9, 2008

Dion in favour of two tier......

Pollution! That's right, you have heard it here first. Stephane Dion and the Liberal Party of Canada are in favour of two tier pollution.

You see, it is ok for them to fly around in their old, obsolete, carbon (and other particulate pollution matter) spewing clunker of a jet because they are buying carbon offsets.

So let's translate this into what Stephane Dion really means:

You hard working factory worker struggling to make ends meet, you who has an old car because that is all you can afford to own, whom fix the car yourself because you cannot afford the mechanics who charge so much to diagnose those new fancy electronic cars, you, you get your butt on a bus.

You spew carbon in the atmosphere AND you cannot afford to assuage your guilt and buy carbon credits from some company to "make up" for all the harm you are causing. You are a disease, a parasite on this earth of beauty,

You, you poor hardworking family need to take the bus everywhere you go, oh, and I will increase the tax you pay on your mode of transportation, and heck, while I am at it everything else for good measure.

Say no to Stephane Dion and his attack on everyone.

We're better off with Harper.

7 comments:

Anonymous said...

The questions I want answered are:

a) Where are they buying the carbon credits from?
b) Who owns the company they're buying from?

I suspect they want to pull a Saint Gore maneuver. Al Gore claimed he was buying all kinds of carbon credits to offset his ENORMOUS carbon footprint... but he bought them from a company HE owned.

Carbon credits are nothing but an environmental guilt payment. They do absolutely NOTHING to "offset" the amount you are polluting.

AnonymousCoward said...

We know where he is buying it from, we just don't think it means much at all.

mattyd said...

It really is not too surprising that a bunch of Tory supporters can't grasp the logic behind carbon offsets. Just stop trying to infect people with your stupidity. Your "translation" didn't even make sense.

Tell me what you (anyone) find so wrong about this, I'll put it nice and simple:
- Stephane Dion must campaign for his party (he is the leader and it is a federal election).
- The election is just over a month away.
- Canada is big.
- He needs to be able to fly all over the country to compete against other federal parties.
- He purchased carbon offsets to offset the emissions from the plane.
- As a result, the net carbon emissions from his travels are 0 kg.

Not even Harper is slow enough to cause trouble over Dion purchasing offsets.

mattyd said...

"...the Liberals will purchase offset credits through CarbonZero, a Toronto firm involved in measuring carbon emissions. CarbonZero will put the credits toward a project in Quebec that replaces inefficient gas boilers with new units using heating controls and new energy-efficient piping systems." - The Globe and Mail

Through that project (being funded by the carbon offset purchase) there will be less carbon emitted by those gas boilers. This reduction will compensate for the carbon emitted by Dion. So you are correct that Dion is still spewing carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, but since he has payed to replace those boilers, the net increase of carbon in the atmosphere will be zero.

I never thought any group of people would insist so vehemently that carbon offsets are a bad thing. I just don't get it. You anti-environmentalists are an odd bunch.

AnonymousCoward said...

Yikes mattyd called us names.

mattyd, pay close attention.

"...the Liberals will purchase offset credits through CarbonZero, a Toronto firm involved in measuring carbon emissions. CarbonZero will put the credits toward a project in Quebec that replaces inefficient gas boilers with new units using heating controls and new energy-efficient piping systems."

Listen, that information is NOT even on the CarbonZero website. According to their website that project is still in evaluation!

CarbonZero has a staff they have to pay. You buy 5 tonnes and part of that will go to the staff salaries, building, benefits etc.

Carbon Zero is a for profit company, about 25% of the donation goes towards administration and profit.

It is a feel good scam.

mattyd said...

That is correct. Businesses do have to pay salaries, overhead, etc. That is factored into the price of the offset. Are you implying that this business says it will offset the tonnage purchased, forget to charge the customer for the administrative side of the business, then only deliver on a fraction of the carbon reduction? You seem overly cynical.

If a business is selling a product, they don't sell it at cost. Why do you assume that is the way carbon offset firms are supposed to operate? Don't worry, you haven't unearthed a carbon offset conspiracy.

However, I do think we both agree that carbon offsets are not a long term solution to the problem. We need a firm policy on the environment in order to help solve the problem. Take a look through this election guide released by the Sierra Club of Canada for some information on how the federal parties look with respect to the environment.
http://www.sierraclub.ca/national/vote-canada/2008/voters-guide-climate-crisis-election.pdf

AnonymousCoward said...

Ralph Nader thinks the cost of carbon should be 50 USD a ton.

Dion thinks it should be 40 dollars a year.

CarbonZero thinks it should be 22 minus 25%, or 16.50 a tonne.

Seems on the cheap side compared to others.

And indeed, it is much better to not pollute at all.

Note their is a difference between tonne and ton as well.

No one really knows what the cost should be, that itself is a warning sign.