Repeat after me:
"You do not have a mandate"
"You do not have a mandate"
"You do not have a mandate"
"You do not have a mandate"
What? You say, We don't have a mandate? 62% of the electorate voted for us you right-wing numskull. Go drag your knuckles elsewhere.
Actually, that would be wrong. Zero people voted for this coalition. People voted for either the Liberals or the NDP to form government, not for the Liberals, NDP, and for all intents and purposes the Bloc to form government together. But hey, if you are so sure about the righteousness of your position, take it to the people. That is what responsible coalitions do, that campaign on them.
You're not afraid of the electorate are you?
17 comments:
Thanks. Tasha Kheiriddin of Rescuing Canada's Right has been saying the same thing.
Hey NeoCon!
The dustbin of history is waiting for you.
Coalition forming is a common practice in Parliamentary democracies worldwide.
The democratic will of the voters is being enacted by the majority of MPs, who are forming a new legislative agenda.
That is how a Parliamentary system works.
Too bad knucklehead.
The majority rules in Parliament.
The majority is united against you.
Harper is done. The Cons will be the opposition come Monday night.
When Martin was Prime Minister Harper proposed to govern with the exact same partners the Liberals now have. When the Liberals do it the Conservatives act with outrage, write letters to everyone and run ads against it. The Liberals didn't do that when the conservatives tried to do it. Whats the difference? The Conservatives are pathetically trying to cling to power. Just wait, their desperate maneuvers are not over yet. They'll gut our parliamentary rules before they let go of power.
Anon@9:55
Please back this up with real evidence. Please show me specific examples of where this has occurred? For the examples to be valid, they must meet the following criteria:
- The incoming coalition has less seats then the governing coalition
- The parties of the coalition campaigned separately. IE, they didn't create the coalition prior to the election and campaign as a coalition.
- Where a coalition replaced the winning party within weeks of being sworn in.
- Limit yourself to Westminister style parliamentary democracies
If the "coalition" is so confident in their righteousness, they should go to the polls.
Otherwise their just plain cowards!
Well, at least AnonymousCoward admits there was a deal. The Stephen Harper, Jack Layton and Gilles Duceppe signed the letter. Only an idiot doesn't realize what it means. Even Conservative MSM tell it like it is, they wanted Harper to be called upon to become Prime Minister.
Of course they wanted Harper to be called upon to be PM. But again, no formal deal.
No formal deal. No cabinet posts going to one party or the other.
No formal agreement, just a letter to consider the options.
I still say, the GG must respect the PMs advice to dissolve parliament. From whomever the PM is.
Ah children....did it happen?
No, CALMER and may I add, a much SMARTER man prevailed!
End of Debate!
Some of the people posting here--and elsewhere on Blogging Tories--do not seem to have much understanding as to how they are governed. We do not elect Prime Ministers or governments in this country. We elect members of parliament. Minorities are not majorities. Harper's mistake was assuming he had one, and that is why he and his government will defeated on Monday.
The Parliament of Canada web site contains a wealth of information about how we are governed. Here is an excerpt which discusses when a government is defeated:
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If a Cabinet is defeated in the House of Commons on a motion of censure or want of confidence, the Cabinet must either resign (the Governor General will then ask the Leader of the Opposition to form a new Cabinet) or ask for a dissolution of Parliament and a fresh election.
In very exceptional circumstances, the Governor General could refuse a request for a fresh election. For instance, if an election gave no party a clear majority and the Prime Minister asked for a fresh election without even allowing the new Parliament to meet, the Governor General would have to say no. This is because, if “parliamentary government” is to mean anything, a newly elected House of Commons must at least be allowed to meet and see whether it can transact public business. Also, if a minority government is defeated on a motion of want of confidence very early in the first session of a new Parliament, and there is a reasonable possibility that a government of another party can be formed and get the support of the House of Commons, then the Governor General could refuse the request for a fresh election.
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Here's the link to the Parliament of Canada web site if you wish to learn more:
http://www.parl.gc.ca/information/library/idb/forsey/parl_gov_02-e.asp
Anon@10:22 PM
*Sigh*
I know exactly how the government is *supposed* to work. I have known since grade 4 history.
You forget, that there is a strong difference between theory and real life. Typical.
In Canada, people vote for the Prime Minister and the Party. That is not what they are supposed to do, but that is what they do.
That is why pollsters ask questions like "Who do you think will make the best Prime Minister? Stephen Harper, Stephane Dion etc". They do not ask this question, "Who do you think will make the best Prime Minister? A Conservative MP, a Liberal MP etc".
Also, this is why when the party leader changes, the new party leader seeks their own mandate.
Just like Paul Martin did. Just like Kim Campbell did.
If Harper loses the confidence of the house, the house should fall, and the GG should dissolve it. We have another election. That is the only option.
Every single time (only once was it refused back in 1926) in the history of Canada, when the PM advises the GG to dissolve the house, the GG has done so. Whenever the PM has requested the GG to prorogue parliament, the GG has done so. The GG acts on advice of the PM.
You don't like this? How about this scenario, what would you say if the GG refused to ratify a bill that passed both the senate and house? Technically it is within her powers to do so.....
Data, blah blah blah but most CANADIANS are what matters and they also do not have the wisdom of your sharing intellect.
When you have a man with white hair and a smile, from T.O.(Quebec) saying "VOTE ME FOR THE PM OF CANADA...and then you have another man being asked "WHEN you become PM....what will you do for the economy different from PM Harper" (three times)
and then you have Mr Harper, asking for your vote to be PM,
what does that say to every day Canadians?
PM= PRIME MINISTER...everyday Canadians, that is what they HEAR!
GAWD, does this ever stop?
The backlash from this is going to destroy the LIberals the Bloc and probably the dippers.
For anyone who thinks these jokers are capable of governing this country just watch. how the next few weeks shake out.
For the 3 evil men who wish to form a coalition government I hope you know what you are doing. We elected the man that we thought was right democratically. What you are doing is only slightly better than than some of the socialist regimes of the past that you have gotten your ideas from. You do not care about Canada, only yourselves and you demonstrate it by wanting to put that least popular vote of all from the last election as PM should your coalition be allowed to run its course. You are very lucky that you do not live in the US and try those tactics there, because someone would have taken you out already for being traitors. If your coalition fails, please accept the fact that no one in their right mind will ever vote for you again unless you buy the vote or sleeping with the voter(although that is unlikely because you three are packing each others fudge right now.) The fact that you would do this during financial upheaval speaks of your intelligence, and for this I know you do not give a fat rats ass about Canada or its people. Its all about power and greed. Just remember, Canada voted and you weren't asked to govern. Get over it and why stand behind the real goverment instead of being leftwingers who do not even have an identity anymore. Your worse than a preacher who speaks about adultery and then fucks all the teenage girl in the congregation !!
Canada is a Confederation. I has 10 provinces and 1 federal government.
Th conservatives won 6 provinces
The Libs won 3 provinces
The Bloc won 1 province
The NDP won 0 provinces.
The conservatives won 7 (including federal) the coalition won 4
The conservative are more representative than the coalition!!!
Harper only has a "minority" mandate, which means he should shed his hatred, vindictiveness, act like a real man and play in the sandbox well with the others.
Harper needs to grow up.
Oh, and this is NOT a coup - a coup is a violent or illegal takeover of power.
This is neither violent nor illegal.
If you think your so damned Canadian and stand up for Canada - try learning the rules, the law - otherwise your BS means nothing. You don't even seem to understand our parliamentary system or our Constitution and you believe Harper's lies - who, by the way has tried the same thing - an no it isn't different.
Shame on you for not even understanding your own country - shame, shame.
Lynne
I feel sorry for you really. If you think that this good for Canada, you are more disgraceful than the politicians that are trying to make this happen. By the way, do you have many friends?
Anon@1:18
Lynne, shame on you!
I never said it was a coup. Never said it. Shame on you!
I understand exactly how things are supposed to work, but most people do not. Most people vote for the Prime Minister or party. See an earlier post of mine for a more detailed explanation.
Just because something is constitutional, it doesn't make it right.
Even your own past Liberal party Presidents are not in favour of this.
Lynne please produce the evidence where Stephen Harper entered into a contract detailing a coalition pact with the separatists. You can't. You are comparing a letter to the GG with a signed contract. A letter saying, consider all your options. Not a signed contract to hand Canada over to the Bloc. Shame on you for comparing apples and oranges. Shame on you for thirsting for power so much you are willing to empower the Bloc to run the government. Why not just give them a cabinet post.
Shame!
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